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It’s the same claim of a right of domination on the basis of the religious belief in the right of the state [of domination] to exist without question or challenge. The state is regarded as the pinnacle of human development, the religious trappings fall away and it becomes the “sacred” mission of “national security” and “homeland security.” Once it switches over to artificial intelligence, they were gonna afflicted with a new tech form of “AIDS,” “the Artificial Intelligence Domination System.”

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Phil,

You pose an excellent question. The short answer is “it doesn’t appear to be possible to escape the domination language and mentality which produced them.” The term “governance” is a synonym for dominance which is domination. Law is the commitment to back by force, even lethal force, the claim of a right of domination on behalf of the state of domination. This insight is likely to produce the intense feeling of an existential crisis, because of the psychological shock of the magnitude of these realizations. The challenge is to push through those feelings so that we can collectively come to terms with the scope of the lie(s) foisted on us. Thanks for reaching out.

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That’s so true. Seems like there is always an ongoing war on trees.

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Mankh's avatar

Have heard from Natives the phrase "war on Earth", and the specific of "war on trees" strikes a poignant nerve.

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Laurent's avatar

In Canada, we have both French and English as national languages. The French has the word autochthonous which roughly means “arising from the land itself”. Such a view makes “property” and “ownership” rather suspicious.

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Mankh's avatar

Thanks for the various clarifications, Steve, and, yes, before learning from you, i would always call it "the system", as had heard that phrase from someone decades ago. As for another aspect of the article, the other day when i noticed locally that along an already strip-malled busy roadway that another patch of trees had been chopped down so as to build something, i thought, they can do that without getting my or anyone's approval or disapproval because it's a piece of "property" that whomever (state and/or a business) "claimed" and can "dominate"...but of course it actually isn't all that,rather a piece of land/Mother Earth.

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Phil's avatar

Thank you Steven for this insight. My question on this …If sovereignty is defined as absolute and unlimited power, how can systems of law and governance ever truly escape the framework of domination?

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Phil's avatar

Yes, the theological grounding of sovereignty is clear in the papal bulls and the idea of divine right. But how do you see this transformation playing out when the state no longer explicitly claims divine authority? Does secularization merely mask the same structures of domination under a different rationale, or does it fundamentally alter them?

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Laurent's avatar

I suspect the answer is that it’s a self referential system aka, a house of cards. What Steven omits is that traditionally the state’s authority to dominate came from God. Thus, science/politics divide is one dichotomy but the science/religion one also needs exploration. In reading this excellent substack, my mind couldn’t help but think of George Spencer Brown’s “Laws of Form” and his starting point which was “a universe comes into being when a space is severed”.

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Steven Newcomb's avatar

Greetings Laurent. Great point regarding the omission of the concept of “God,” which is a given in relation to “sovereignty” and “the state [of domination].” In one of the Vatican papal bull documents from 1493 we see the statement “We [the papacy] trust in Him [their God] from whom empires, and dominations, and all good things proceed [i.e. emerge].” In the English version, the translators translated the Latin word “dominationes” into the English word “governments.”

They ground their claim of a right of domination in their concept of God by seeing their “God” as the ultimate source of domination . The Latin word “scientia” is found in one of the papal bulls and it refers to the specialized knowledge of the pope, “the vicar of Christ.” Thanks for adding to the mix.

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Mankh's avatar

Charles Fort wrote some amazing books from his pre-computer extensive research; one gist is how "science" became the "new religion".

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Steven Newcomb's avatar

Thanks Mankh

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Laurent's avatar

Thanks for the reference, Mankh. I’ll have a look at that.

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Mankh's avatar

You're welcome, Laurent, "The Book of the Damned" is one, "damned" referring to stuff that science leaves out e.g. Fort found gobs of examples of strange phenomena (hence the phrase Fortean phenomena) e.g. a farmer reporting a sudden shower of periwinkles in his field. And Fort's writing style is highly info-taining.

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PS He spent a lot of time at the NY Public Library, going through various journals, and kept his findings/notes in shoe-boxes.

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